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In Britain there is a standard for tactile paving at the start and end of shared-use foot / cycling paths. It uses a short section of ridged paving slabs which can be laid with the ridges either along the direction of the path or across the direction of the path, to indicate which side is reserved for which mode of transport.

Transverse ridges

If you have small hard wheels, like many pushchairs or the front castors on many wheelchairs, transverse ridges are very bumpy and uncomfortable.

If you have large pneumatic wheels, like a bike, the wheel can ride over the ridges so it doesn't feel the bumps.

Transverse ridges are better for bikes

Longitudinal ridges

If you have two wheels and the ground is a bit slippery, longitudinal ridges can have a tramline effect which disrupts you steering and therefore balance, so they are less safe.

If you have four wheels, the tramline effect can't disrupt your balance and can be nice and smooth.

Longitudinal ridges are better for pushchairs

The standard

So obviously the standard is transverse ridges for the footway, and longitudinal ridges for the cycleway.

(I have a followup item with a plausible explanation!)

Date: 2016-06-13 08:46 (UTC)
lnr: (Pen-y-ghent)
From: [personal profile] lnr
This has done my head in for years too! I wonder who came up with it, and if it's even *possible* to safely change it in retrospect.

Date: 2016-06-13 08:55 (UTC)
aldabra: (ghost)
From: [personal profile] aldabra
*Yes*. There is an age-of-kid at which the *only* reason you're out is that they will only sleep in a moving pushchair, and you've been up 23 hours, and you'd rather be walking in the rain than being screamed at at home. The absolute last thing you want is gratuitous bumps.

Date: 2016-06-13 08:55 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com
*sigh* I wonder if the ridges could be made narrower, to be less wheel-invasive, but still equally tactile?

Date: 2016-06-13 11:45 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kaberett.livejournal.com
A SOURCE OF ONGOING FRUSTRATION TO ME, yes. I am glad to know that it is shared.

Date: 2016-06-13 14:19 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gareth-rees.livejournal.com
This is the same kind of ignorance that leads to the use of transverse ridges to slow down cyclists. (You'll recall when this happened a few years ago on the Ditton Meadows bridge.) On a bicycle, the faster you go, the less unpleasant vibration you get, and so the natural instinct is to speed up as you approach them.

How we do it here

Date: 2016-06-14 00:15 (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
The standard here seems to be (I haven't checked design specifications) Portland Cement Concrete for the pedestrian parts and Bituminous Concrete (blacktop, tarmac, "asphalt") for the cycle parts. Sometimes instead of cast-in-place PCC they use 4x4 or 6x6 concrete pavers.

On the street where my office is located, there's a "cycletrack", and I got to see how this was built. The cycletrack, curbside tree/street furniture RoW, and pedestrian walkway are all built on top of a unitary cast-in-place PCC "bathtub". This is then covered with a layer of blacktop which forms the base layer for the pavers. Once the pavers are installed and locked together with polymeric sand, another layer of blacktop is laid between two stringer courses to make the cycletrack, which is then painted with arrows and cycle icons.

Date: 2016-06-14 07:21 (UTC)
bens_dad: (Default)
From: [personal profile] bens_dad
> Transverse ridges are better for bikes
> Longitudinal ridges are better for pushchairs

Longitudinal ridges oppose side-slip, which is more dangerous to those on two wheels.
When climbing a hill, transverse ridges give better traction; a bike is likely to have some momentum to carry it through the market slabs, whereas a push-chair is likely to stop more quickly without power.

Or at least that was the rationale I deduced upon finding the slabs at the Nuffield Gym (nee Greens) end of the Coldhams Lane railway bridge, where traffic has either just turned left or sharp right when it meets the ribbed paving.

It is not obvious to me that either direction of tile is obviously better or worse for two than four wheels in all, or even most, situations.

Date: 2016-06-14 19:36 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] entropy-house.livejournal.com
Maybe they could inexpensively correct this by painting out the bicycle symbol and repaint it on the other side, and put a sticker with the symbols reversed on the 'lollipop' sign until there was funding for a new sign?

That is, if they wanted to. I'm guessing they had some reason for this, although I can't see it.

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